Is There a Downside to Loyalty?, Inter-belief Conversation Café, Monday, November 20


Once again, Inter-belief Conversation Cafe meets by Zoom. The Zoom link is http://www.zoom.us/j/99973128471


Is There a Downside to Loyalty?

Navy hero Stephen Decatur asked that his country be kept right, but ended with, “My country, right or wrong.” Does true loyalty require this response? Is our support of our loved ones dependent on whether their actions are praiseworthy, or are we loyal to them even when they’ve gone astray? How much loyalty do we owe our political party, our causes, our nation? Would a political leader who voices our values, but orders protesters shot or imprisons opponents still have our vote? Should we set limits on our loyalty? Is it a transaction, in which our loyalty is offered unless a line is crossed? If our loyalty is conditional, is it still loyalty? Must reason, ethics, or personal values be sacrificed to be faithfully loyal to others?

In criminal law, loyalty can incur serious penalties: Helping out a friend or boss becomes “aiding and abetting,” “concealment of a crime,” or “accessory after the fact.”  Is “honor among thieves” an acceptable philosophy of life? Loyalty to one’s country can be considered a war crime -- if immoral orders are obeyed. Omertà, or the Code of Silence, is not just loyalty among the Mafia; among police or professionals, it can likewise permit & encourage injustice. But if colleagues cannot trust each other, how can they work together? Does anyone love a “snitch?” Is there a higher loyalty to justice, truth, and morality that outweighs loyalty between pals or co-workers? Who decides what the higher loyalty is?


In The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, Jonathan Haidt argues that the innate moral foundations of human beings are care, fairness, loyalty, authority, sanctity, and possibly liberty. Can we be moral if we are not loyal? Is loyalty as innate a foundation of morality as claimed? Do the other qualities provide a balance that tells us when loyalty has gone too far? What of those who may reject sanctity as a value, by rejecting any loyalty to a religious authority or God? What of those whose motto is not to be loyal, but to “Resist authority”? Haidt associates care and fairness with liberals, and loyalty, authority, and sanctity with conservatives. What does this tell us about loyalty and these other human traits as universal moral values? He argues that ultimately, we rely on intuition, not reason. How can we evaluate the morality of loyalty if it is a feeling -- not an objective fact?


Is the loyalty that inspires firefighters to run through flames to save others the same loyalty that inspires terrorists to burn others alive? Is the real question, “Loyalty to what”? Is loyalty less an abstraction than a gift of one’s heart? Does “loyalty” subjectively mean anything without an object of our loyalty? How do we evaluate the competing calls upon our loyalty? Must country or party mean more than family? Must belief reign over all other loyalties and duties? Are all loyalties required to be to a real human being? What real human being could be worthy of all our loyalties? Does the flag to which we pledge our undying allegiance symbolize “Mom, Apple Pie, and The One We Left Behind,” all rolled up into one? Can we not have a sliding scale of loyalties with one put before the others? Must we use reason to assess all potential objects of our devotion? How can we then decide what (or who) to be loyal to?



GOP Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater said in 1964, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” Given that viewpoint, can there ever be a downside to loyalty? If the cause is good, how can we hold back? Is there a part of us that thinks Goldwater’s quote was correct? Or do we forget that although his quote doesn’t refer to liberty and justice “for all,” his often-unquoted very next statement indeed notes, “The beauty of this federal system of ours is in its reconciliation of diversity with unity.” Do we doubt his words in the telling, or in the broader retelling? If we doubt what we hear, to whom then do we listen? Who merits loyalty, and are we meritorious, or foolish, to bestow it?

On Monday November 20 from 7-9 PM by Zoom, Inter-belief Conversation Café will examine loyalty (possibly extremely, possibly in moderation). Our agreements of open-mindedness, acceptance, curiosity, discovery, sincerity, brevity, and confidentiality should keep us true blue (or royal red?) in the process. So be loyal to our dialogue -- show up!



By Bob Hulteen July 14, 2026
Thursday, August 13, 6:30 p.m, doors open, and 7;00 p.m., screening begins; House of Hope Presbyterian Church, 797 Summit Avenue, St. Paul Join the Minnesota Council of Churches and Minnesota Multifaith Network for a free screening of the documentary “Jesus Was a Migrant,” followed by a guided conversation on Thursday, August 13! This thought-provoking film explores the intersection of faith, migration, and the lived experiences of immigrants and refugees — providing an apt mirror as we reflect on the circumstances we find ourselves in today. Following the screening, guests are invited to participate in a facilitated conversation to discuss the film's themes and consider how faith calls its practitioners to regard their neighbors with compassion, dignity, and understanding. This event is free to attend, but seating is limited. Please register by August 6 to reserve your seat. 
By Bob Hulteen July 14, 2026
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By Bob Hulteen July 14, 2026
By Rev. Tom Duke On a steamy, sunlit morning at the Minnesota State Capitol, I stood—proud and admittedly sweaty—among about sixty-five clergy from many religious traditions. We gathered in our varied symbolic garb to affirm a shared commitment: advocating for voting processes that are free, fair, secure, and accessible to all eligible voters in the upcoming elections. Why is this the business of clergy? Because protecting the right to vote protects human dignity—a core value upheld across virtually all religious traditions. That dignity, and the voting rights that honor it, form the foundation of just, peaceful, and healthy communities. Most faith traditions aspire to such communities, and they recognize that democracy depends on safeguarding the voice of every citizen. This commitment is not about partisan politics or specific policy agendas. It is about human thriving and well‑being. Religious leaders understand how institutions can be distorted, even corrupted, by greed and the pursuit of power, and how accountability to voters is a necessary check on those tendencies. The opportunity to choose leaders—or reject them—is as close to sacred as a secular process can be. What made this press conference especially powerful was that clergy from multiple religious traditions spoke publicly with one voice. That unity is possible only because of years of intentional relationship‑building across differences—work that cultivates trust, mutual respect, and shared purpose. Through that process, leaders discover shared values, principles, and aspirations, even as they acknowledge real differences. Although differences often draw the most attention, far more is held in common across traditions than most people realize. When we do not know what we have in common, our differences will divide us; when we do know what we share, those differences can enrich us. Respectful and appreciative relationship‑building across differences is not optional; it is essential to our collective future. As theologian Hans Kung observed, “without peace among religions there will not be peace in the world.” Each of us can stretch toward greater curiosity, reaching out to neighbors of different cultures and traditions to learn what we share and where we differ. We can also support organizations that cultivate interreligious cooperation in service and justice work. I’m grateful to ISAIAH and Faith in US for convening this press conference and to the Minnesota Multifaith Network (MnMN) for its years of relationship‑building. You can read a news story about the press conference and explore the national clergy sign‑on letter, " Faith Leaders Defending Democracy ," which has already been signed by nearly 2,000 clergy across many states. 
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By Bob Hulteen July 3, 2026
Wednesday, July 8, 8:30 - 10:00 a.m.; The Heights, 1400 North Winthrop Street, St. Paul Celebrate the launch of an inspirational new program: Pope Leo Village! Inspired by Pope Leo XIV’s commitment to social justice, compassion, and service, this national interfaith movement unites people of all backgrounds to build homes, community, and hope. Locally, Pope Leo Village will help build five homes at The Heights on St. Paul’s Greater East Side. Volunteer opportunities extend to other build sites around the metro and Habitat For Humanity's ReStore locations. The event includes refreshments, speaking program featuring Archbishop Bernard Hebda, and a ceremonial wall-raising. Please RSVP by Friday, July 3. 
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